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kenny123

Joined: 13 Aug 2005
Posts: 6079
Location: Masterton,Wairarapa, New Zealand
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 1:50 am
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Asking for critique is really good,and you will get some good advice-but before you heed any advice, it will pay you to look at the critic's gallery,to make sure in your mind that he/she knows what they are advising.
Also, If you need to ask if your image is "good enough", then it probably isn't-Keep in mind that the opposite of "good" is "Better". |
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Zelda Behr
Joined: 08 May 2012
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 2:15 am
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That is some great advice and i did as you said.
Found some real inspiration and i'm am so set on getting in and doing it at 110% of my ability. |
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banepetkovic
Joined: 03 Mar 2012
Posts: 135
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 3:04 am
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| kenny123 wrote: | | Also, If you need to ask if your image is "good enough", then it probably isn't-Keep in mind that the opposite of "good" is "Better". |
Oh mighty Socrates, what a brilliant thought. World looks really different now. |
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jhuls

Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Posts: 1046
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 8:25 am
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I think one other thing newbies should ask themselves before posting is this forum. Do I know the basic photography terms such as these:
1. Aperture
2. DOF (Depth of Feild)
3. Shutter speed
4. ISO settings
5. Manual verses Auto focus
6. Composition
7. How to use The M setting or all manual setting on my camera
8. If you can't adjust any of the above settings on your camera you probably don't have the right camera for stock.
If you don't know 1 or all of these terms. Don't start posting in here. There are many great websites with free tutorials in which you can learn about these terms and practice. Stock photography is very technical. We can't even begin to help you here, if you don't have at least a basic understanding. I'm not trying to be discouraging, but stock photography is hard even for those of us with the proper knowledge and experience. This is not a place to learn the basics, it is a place to help you hone your skills as a stock photographer. |
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smileus

Joined: 07 Oct 2008
Posts: 587
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 9:56 am
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6. Composition
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I agree in parts, but composition is a subjective term. You don't want newcomers to ask for critique if they don't know about composition, hmmm. Sometimes we think our composition is good but others don't agree, surely that's partly the point of a critique forum?
| kenny123 wrote: | ...
Also, If you need to ask if your image is "good enough", then it probably isn't-Keep in mind that the opposite of "good" is "Better". |
You know, perhaps nobody should start any threads anymore. That's intimidating and not fair. People want to pass the review and don't know what the reviewers want, that's why they're asking. |
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jhuls

Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 10:22 am
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You know, perhaps nobody should start any threads anymore. That's intimidating and not fair. People want to pass the review and don't know what the reviewers want, that's why they're asking. |
I agree it is intimidating but it would be less intimidating if the posters knew the basics of photography before posting. And I'm not saying that every newbie who posts here falls into this category, but many do. Yes we can help them to a point but to expect us to start at the basics isn't fair to us or them. It just wastes a bunch of time both ours and theirs. |
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mattgibson

Joined: 11 Nov 2009
Posts: 601
Location: London
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 10:44 am
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Then don't respond.
If they are asking for basics, don't respond.Won't waste your time then.
I don't diasgree with what has been said, all too often people post without a clue about photography let alone any knowledge about stock.
But, and it is an important but, it is up to you whether you respond or not. |
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smileus

Joined: 07 Oct 2008
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 10:54 am
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Matt nailed it. I think for those people it's better not to get any replies than getting pointless scoldings after posting an image. I've felt quite sorry a few times after seeing such threads. |
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jhuls

Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:11 am
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I feel like you are taking my post in the wrong way. I am not meaning it to be mean, actually the exact opposite. I think we agree on more points than we disagree. I feel bad for photographers who post in here without knowing the basics only to get slammed with harsh responses about things they don't even know about. It has to be somewhat discouraging to some people. And I wonder how many do it and just throw their hands up and say forget it.
With my above post I am pointing out that if a poster does not know the basics there is no sense in posting here. It will not do them any good, in fact it may as you guys pointed out it actually may do them more harm than good. So I think if there was some sort of general guide lines of what a photographer should know before posting in here it would be beneficial for everyone. (not that anyone would pay attention to them, they never seem to pay attention to the how to post 100% crops : ) |
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semmickphoto

Joined: 12 Feb 2012
Posts: 6520
Location: Stuck between a shutter and a hard place
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:25 am
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| jhuls wrote: | ...
8. If you can't adjust any of the above settings on your camera you probably don't have the right camera for stock.
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But everyone here says, its never the equipment thats the problem. Many say that they have sales of P&S cameras. So I wouldnt put it down to have a DSLR as a precondition to post for critique here. |
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smileus

Joined: 07 Oct 2008
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:31 am
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@jhuls: Yes well, we agree then. But still, some replies are really unnecessary.
This 100% crop thing pops up much more often than it would be necessary. The thing is that the sticky thread leaves out a very important point. It's no good scolding newbies when they probably have read it but haven't managed to get it right. This whole thing is a complete misunderstanding. People think just because they zoomed in to 100% when they cropped it's a 100% crop, and that's how the sticky post sounds and some chant it like a mantra. The post doesn't explain that people are not to resize it, it just says save it to no more than 500 pixels bla bla. And how are people supposed to save it to 500 px? That's where things go wrong. |
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matthi

Joined: 30 Sep 2010
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:46 am
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the sticky can be indeed confusing hence it is so simple and needs just one line:
if you cut out a 500px / 500px part of an image you are always left with a "100%" crop of it...that is so easy that I can´t even get where the problem is...
For those with PS:
use the rectangular select tool, nail in styles: fixed size 500px / 500px, then select whatever part of the image is the one where the focus should be, then Image => crop and you have cut out a piece of your image fitting into this forum, with 500px by 500px.
This is by nature 100%, cause you are not changing the image size at any point and it works regardless if you zoom into 3000% or do it zoomed out to 6%...
bottom line: just cut out a piece no longer than 500px on any side of your original image and you are done. |
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smileus

Joined: 07 Oct 2008
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:50 am
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| matthi wrote: | the sticky can be indeed confusing hence it is so simple and needs just one line:
if you cut out a 500px / 500px part of an image you are always left with a "100%" crop of it...that is so easy that I can´t even get where the problem is...
For those with PS:
use the rectangular select tool, nail in styles: fixed size 500px / 500px, then select whatever part of the image is the one where the focus should be, then Image => crop and you have cut out a piece of your image fitting into this forum, with 500px by 500px.
This is by nature 100%, cause you are not changing the image size at any point and it works regardless if you zoom into 3000% or do it zoomed out to 6%...
bottom line: just cut out a piece no longer than 500px on any side of your original image and you are done. |
Amen. Well explained. Should be smuggled into the sticky post, lol!
Once I even read about a 200% crop, if you zoom in 200% into the image and so on. Bah! |
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kenny123

Joined: 13 Aug 2005
Posts: 6079
Location: Masterton,Wairarapa, New Zealand
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 1:23 am
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| smileus wrote: | | jhuls wrote: | ...
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You know, perhaps nobody should start any threads anymore. That's intimidating and not fair. People want to pass the review and don't know what the reviewers want, that's why they're asking. |
If The facts are intimidating, then perhaps macrame for a hobby? |
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kenny123

Joined: 13 Aug 2005
Posts: 6079
Location: Masterton,Wairarapa, New Zealand
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 1:26 am
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| Zelda Behr wrote: | That is some great advice and i did as you said.
Found some real inspiration and i'm am so set on getting in and doing it at 110% of my ability. |
That's the attitude we like to see-someone with the jackson's to work hard to improve |
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