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angelawaye

Joined: 05 Oct 2008
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:45 am
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I think it pushes me to work harder and now my rejections are far less. I don't think it is intentional though. If they do accept "crap" images, they don't sell (or very little) so it is not just about getting something approved for me.
There is a "consistent inconsistency" though. I may reuse an older image from my port in a new way and it gets rejected for white balance or lighting. Doesn't make sense.
I just stick to 5 - 8 photos per batch and wait until those are approved/rejected before I do another batch because reviews are different.
We just have to work around it I guess.
I have to find another rock now ... |
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digigandalf

Joined: 11 Jun 2005
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Location: Twinsburg, OH
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:57 am
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They sometimes make me want to throw a rock.... |
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rudyumans

Joined: 19 Aug 2008
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Location: www.businesshelpforyou.org www.rudyumans.com
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 12:17 pm
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Do reviewers push us?
Maybe over the edge sometimes (almost) |
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PaulCowan

Joined: 24 Feb 2005
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Location: Evolving
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 1:14 pm
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Well, I was just looking at my latest rejection and thinking, "Yes, I do see your point, but it would still be useful for some people. However, in future I can take more care to get past that 'limited by composition' issue." That was when I wondered if they were just being ultra picky or if there was an ulterior motive.
Anyway, I should have known that mentioning the word "reviewer" would send people into a apoplectic rage. |
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rudyumans

Joined: 19 Aug 2008
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 1:28 pm
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Paul, I just don't think that the reviewers are pushing some people or encouraging others. I also think that if they did, it wouldn't be right. Everybody should be treated equal. On the other hand, a fluffy white dog comes to mind.
You never know what motivates people to act irrationally sometimes. A fight with their spouse, their 18 year old gives them hell, a hard party last night, just a bad day. Who knows? |
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wiml
Joined: 10 May 2011
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 8:09 am
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| angelawaye wrote: | I think it pushes me to work harder and now my rejections are far less. I don't think it is intentional though. If they do accept "crap" images, they don't sell (or very little) so it is not just about getting something approved for me.
There is a "consistent inconsistency" though. I may reuse an older image from my port in a new way and it gets rejected for white balance or lighting. Doesn't make sense.
I just stick to 5 - 8 photos per batch and wait until those are approved/rejected before I do another batch because reviews are different.
We just have to work around it I guess.
I have to find another rock now ... |
You wait it out Angela? that's a week for me, I used to up 5 a day and they were reviewed within a day (or 2) and that's not even a year ago.
Here's a good one, image isolation rejected for compositions, few pixels of useless white space added, image accepted., there's consistency for you.
I believe it was this image:
And I've got a few more of those in my port. That's just one reason of the silly rejections I get. I can't wait for my next batch, waiting since may 2nd.
At first I thought the reviewers were playing games with some of us and the agency was not aware of this but lately I think the agency is fully aware and doesn't feel the need to do anything about it.
Like others have said in the past though, "in the end, it's their loss"
Take care |
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hhltdave5

Joined: 20 Jun 2006
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Location: Our Stock, Food & Portrait photography books at www.rindersmithphotography.com
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 9:08 am
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I don't really think it is true Paul. If you think of all the images a reviewer sees I don't think they pay too much attention to the submitter. I think they know some of us because of the time we have been here or our presence with Shutterstock but if you think of all the tens of thousands of submitters I think they are just faceless names.
I do think that they as a general rule change their policies on what is acceptable and raise the bar that way but to me it still comes down to the specific reviewer. Think of all the pretty damn good images from top notch photographers that get rejected but yet some very marginal images at best get approved.
I still hold that there are some reviewers who hardly anything is good enough for them. |
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rinder99

Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Location: Contact www.rinderart.com/Books and Workshops www.rindersmithphotography.com Youtube/rinder
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 10:03 am
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| hhltdave5 wrote: | I don't really think it is true Paul. If you think of all the images a reviewer sees I don't think they pay too much attention to the submitter. I think they know some of us because of the time we have been here or our presence with Shutterstock but if you think of all the tens of thousands of submitters I think they are just faceless names.
I do think that they as a general rule change their policies on what is acceptable and raise the bar that way but to me it still comes down to the specific reviewer. Think of all the pretty damn good images from top notch photographers that get rejected but yet some very marginal images at best get approved.
I still hold that there are some reviewers who hardly anything is good enough for them. |
+1000 also I fully believe there are some that have no clue.Make a reviewers pay a livable wage and you will attract folks with better qualifications.When I reviewed The pay was 50% higher than it is now.Thats a pity as I believe reviewing Is the most Important job there is. |
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PaulCowan

Joined: 24 Feb 2005
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 1:48 pm
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Ah, well, while it would have been unfair to think people were getting pushed to develop their skill level, it would still have been nice to think that maybe somebody cared. Another off-beat idea for the dustbin! |
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scotrus96

Joined: 25 Jul 2008
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Location: always on the right track to desirable destination
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 3:36 pm
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rejected with :
For future illustration submissions, select â??Yesâ? in the â??Illust./Clip-Art:â? drop down menu
is that a swearing? |
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red06

Joined: 05 Feb 2007
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 4:29 pm
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who cares about SS? |
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apotterdd

Joined: 10 Apr 2009
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Location: Trying to get my latinum back from Quark
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 4:33 pm
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red if you're unhappy no one's forcing to keep you here and thread spamming isn't the answer.
I don't think it's the reviewers job to push us to make us better if that was the case then the rejection reasons would be a little more detailed than what we get.
For me I don't feel like I'm being pushed as I already know I can do better and I am doing better than what I was when I started doing this 3 years ago. There is always room for advancement no matter what level you're at. |
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PaulCowan

Joined: 24 Feb 2005
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 4:38 pm
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| apotterdd wrote: |
There is always room for advancement no matter what level you're at. |
Indeed. But a nudge, accidental or deliberate, can create a realisation of where the room for advancement is. |
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apotterdd

Joined: 10 Apr 2009
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Location: Trying to get my latinum back from Quark
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 4:41 pm
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Ah I see Paul and that does make more sense to me now. |
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angelawaye

Joined: 05 Oct 2008
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 6:48 am
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Sometimes it is a nudge and sometimes it is a kick in the face ... |
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