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Post Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:49 am     Reply with quote

Hi

have a look at the below & as usual fire away your comments. I have been running through this forum religiously and have learned a lot ( believe me, i have started commenting on photo's of others from what i have learned )



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tverkhovynets


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Post Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:52 am     Reply with quote

crop is soft, blown out highlights and overall uneven lighting (left side is too dark) + may be copyright on carpets

Taras
semmickphoto


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Post Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:52 am     Reply with quote

Out of focus, overuse of noise reduction filter (at least that what it looks like to me) and blown out spots on the carpet in the back.



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Post Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:55 am     Reply with quote

I know, the top left corner looks Dark, but can't control the lighting at a commercial shop. Tried photoshop, but it can't recreate what was supposed to be in the dark spot.

Regarding LCV Turkish carpets are very expensive & a novelty and represents the Turkish culture, so may be of some use.

Searched shutter stock, very few images similar to these.

:-)
semmickphoto


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Post Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:01 am     Reply with quote

wrote:
I know, the top left corner looks Dark, but can't control the lighting at a commercial shop. Tried photoshop, but it can't recreate what was supposed to be in the dark spot.

Regarding LCV Turkish carpets are very expensive & a novelty and represents the Turkish culture, so may be of some use.

Searched shutter stock, very few images similar to these.

:-)


Doesnt matter what the excuse is for a technically flawed photo, or if there are not many available. If there are technical issues, it wont be accepted.

You can fix the darker area in lightroom easily with graduated filters. But it will create noise which you need to fix as well then.

And you still need to fix the blow outs.

But all this doesnt matter because its OOF which cant be fixed.
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Post Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:02 am     Reply with quote

wrote:
I know, the top left corner looks Dark, but can't control the lighting at a commercial shop. Tried photoshop, but it can't recreate what was supposed to be in the dark spot.

Regarding LCV Turkish carpets are very expensive & a novelty and represents the Turkish culture, so may be of some use.

Searched shutter stock, very few images similar to these.

:-)


One of the most valuable lessons you will ever learn is that sometimes the shot just is not there. No matter what you can do to get it right in the camera or in photoshop you just cannot get a good image out of it.

As time goes on you will be able to really "see" the shot and know whether or not it will work. This whole process of learning to see comes from experience and photographic knowledge. At some point when you look at a shot your mind will run though all of the technical aspects of the shot and that will tell you if you should go for it or just let it go.



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Post Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:04 am     Reply with quote

semmickphoto wrote:
wrote:
I know, the top left corner looks Dark, but can't control the lighting at a commercial shop. Tried photoshop, but it can't recreate what was supposed to be in the dark spot.

Regarding LCV Turkish carpets are very expensive & a novelty and represents the Turkish culture, so may be of some use.

Searched shutter stock, very few images similar to these.

:-)


Doesnt matter what the excuse is for a technically flawed photo, or if there are not many available. If there are technical issues, it wont be accepted.

You can fix the darker area in lightroom easily with graduated filters. But it will create noise which you need to fix as well then.

And you still need to fix the blow outs.

But all this doesnt matter because its OOF which cant be fixed.


:-) agree with you on the blow outs & Darker edge. But can u help me with the OOF. I too read through some online manual & tutorials. But can't seem to get it right. Can you refer to some source. Also, i dont have a DSLR, it's a Fujifilm s4000 & it doesn't allow manual focus.
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Post Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:09 am     Reply with quote

"One of the most valuable lessons you will ever learn is that sometimes the shot just is not there. No matter what you can do to get it right in the camera or in photoshop you just cannot get a good image out of it."

Also,About your camera. You might wanna think about investing in your craft.You don't need an expensive thing just something that gives you options a P&S just won't work for subjects like this unless your a master at light.
tverkhovynets


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Post Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:10 am     Reply with quote

wrote:
semmickphoto wrote:
wrote:
I know, the top left corner looks Dark, but can't control the lighting at a commercial shop. Tried photoshop, but it can't recreate what was supposed to be in the dark spot.

Regarding LCV Turkish carpets are very expensive & a novelty and represents the Turkish culture, so may be of some use.

Searched shutter stock, very few images similar to these.

:-)


Doesnt matter what the excuse is for a technically flawed photo, or if there are not many available. If there are technical issues, it wont be accepted.

You can fix the darker area in lightroom easily with graduated filters. But it will create noise which you need to fix as well then.

And you still need to fix the blow outs.

But all this doesnt matter because its OOF which cant be fixed.


:-) agree with you on the blow outs & Darker edge. But can u help me with the OOF. I too read through some online manual & tutorials. But can't seem to get it right. Can you refer to some source. Also, i dont have a DSLR, it's a Fujifilm s4000 & it doesn't allow manual focus.


Google how autofocus works. You need tons of light to make it work properly.

Taras
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Post Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:56 pm     Reply with quote

I agree, get a better camera. But until you do don't walk around with the camera you have now, walk around wit an 8.5 x 11 inch black card that has a 4x6 inch rectangle cut in the middle of it. Hold it anywhere from arms length to 18 inches from your face and view the world through it. The picture you posted has way too much in it. In this kind of situation shooting pictures more like these crops is the way to go. Walking around and viewing the world through the card with the 4x6 inch opening will help you to see compositions like this. Good luck!


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matthi


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Post Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 3:24 am     Reply with quote

mikenorton wrote:
I agree, get a better camera. But until you do don't walk around with the camera you have now, walk around wit an 8.5 x 11 inch black card that has a 4x6 inch rectangle cut in the middle of it. Hold it anywhere from arms length to 18 inches from your face and view the world through it. The picture you posted has way too much in it. In this kind of situation shooting pictures more like these crops is the way to go. Walking around and viewing the world through the card with the 4x6 inch opening will help you to see compositions like this. Good luck!


+1

very well explained what I said before: right now in every single photo you post here the problem is composition,not noise, not light, not gear...

it is like someone wants to be a singer but is not able to hear ...learn to see first, then take the cam

look how much better these 2 crops are and look how "easy" that would have been, and how much more photos of that very same subject would have been in there...

only when you are at that point you can start to think about all the technical issues like light, noise etc
semmickphoto


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Post Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 4:20 am     Reply with quote

I think the problem is definately related to lighting and gear as well
jhuls


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Post Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 9:01 am     Reply with quote

I think it may have something to do with lighting and gear but I think it is more along the lines of what Dave said. You must have the experience to know when to take a shot and when it's just not going to work. Also what mike did to the shot, was a matter of having experience knowing that a situation like this requires a close-up view. Putting the lighting and composition issues aside this photos has issues with focus and white balance.

I'm thinking at this point you need to do one of 2 things either invest in a starter level DSLR and take some photography classes, either free online tutorials or find some classes you can take in your area. Or do as someone else suggested in your other thread get outside and start taking photos with natural light and work on focus and composition. With your current camera and lighting set-up indoor photos are going to be difficult if not impossible.
rinder99


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Post Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 9:22 am     Reply with quote

mikenorton wrote:
I agree, get a better camera. But until you do don't walk around with the camera you have now, walk around wit an 8.5 x 11 inch black card that has a 4x6 inch rectangle cut in the middle of it. Hold it anywhere from arms length to 18 inches from your face and view the world through it. The picture you posted has way too much in it. In this kind of situation shooting pictures more like these crops is the way to go. Walking around and viewing the world through the card with the 4x6 inch opening will help you to see compositions like this. Good luck!


Ansel comes to mind.And I did that very same thing for years.A great thing to do. And I agree about what you post is way out of whack composition wise. Composition is the toughest thing to teach and some never get it, Some learn it But Composition Is the key to any image,any film or any painting.

What mike did is what you need to study. That is your weakest Point.
mauijon


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Post Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 5:20 pm     Reply with quote

Don't get discouraged by our critiques. We mean well. Many of us have been in photography for years; portrait, landscape, glamour or commercial/catalog.

A lot of us learned on our own, some of us took a semester or a year or two or more of photo school, some like Jenn/Juhls seem to have popped up out of nowhere and had already honed her talents with on-line photo contests, some like me and a few others are older than dirt and learned using sheet film.

Some people here always had technical problems but had the best composition "eyes." Some never had focus or noise problems but couldn't find good composition if it was pasted on their eyelids. But they learned.

A few of us,sorry to say, don't use a lot of niceties in our critiques, probably because we are in a hurry, or have gotten burnt out by seeing the same questions a thousand times, but stiff upper lip, go forward, do well.
 
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