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bailey0ne
Joined: 30 Dec 2005
Posts: 290
Location: Arkansas
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:47 pm
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< ------ Married to a United States Army Veteran. %100 disabled. There is a price always. Whether wanted or not. People pay, people suffer. And it is not always seen by the naked eye. |
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glennlump
Joined: 31 May 2005
Posts: 15
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:52 pm
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This is not a venue for this subject... I know I am not here to read this. |
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Susan
Joined: 06 May 2005
Posts: 2726
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:25 pm
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Then you must be a Canadian Aboriginal citizen... a direct descendant of the Aboriginal people of Canada who belong to the recognized indigenous groups in the Canadian Constitution Act of 1982.
3.8% of Canada's total population are the Native peoples Indians, Métis, and Inuit. I wonder how they feel about the terrorist who invaded their territories.
You will not find a culture on the planet that was not invaded or did some invading themselves. The aboriginal people invaded each other... only then they "sometimes" ate each other. Here is a nice world map. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/Cannibalism.jpg
Some of my distant relatives were Mexican ranchers who helped fight against Mexico in the Mexican war. They originally emigrated to Arizona during the French invasion of Mexico, and the ensuing political struggle between Manuel Maria Gandara and Ignacio Pesqueria which prompted more than 25,000 Mexican refugees to flee north into what is now Arizona and California.
Most people are not aware of how large a part the Hispanic pioneers played in the settlement of Arizona (and for that matter Texas/California) during the Territorial Period. In most of the towns of southern and central Arizona, 50% to 90% of the residents were Hispanic before the war. Most of them were born there and they remained there after the war.
My great great grandmothers family remained on their ranches after the Mexican war.
Blame seems to be the order of the day!
| mpemberton wrote: | | rformidable wrote: | this war on terror?
it's been going on for not only since 911, but for decades....since the very start of the united states..
their first 'terrorists' were the canadians...
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ROFL...
First terrorist was George Washington, ask the British....
Then after that George Washington tried to invade Canada and lost.
Manifest destiny is a cornerstone of terrorism if you ask Native Americans.
The only people who believe the United States was not built on the backbone of terrorism is themselves. |
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rformidable
Joined: 12 Jun 2008
Posts: 418
Location: object land
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:16 pm
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do you think that homeland securities, or whoever tracks internets forums for key words such as 'bomb', '9-11', 'america' 'george bush','president', 'dictator', 'war' and 'terrorist' are reading all this and are writing down our ip addresses?
if so, are we all going to be arrested now?
i really hope not, at least not before my birthday and before i get some images uploaded here...
coz that would, in fact, suck... |
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mavrick
Joined: 20 Dec 2005
Posts: 1148
Location: colorado
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:06 am
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This is info-tainment! Don't worry rformidable just keep looking good 'cause you know who's coming dontcha? |
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mavrick
Joined: 20 Dec 2005
Posts: 1148
Location: colorado
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:22 am
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[quote="rformidable"]actually,
historically relevant to north america, i suppose the first terrorist was christopher columbus...or was it the norse?[/quote
Eric the Red was pretty rough but Ccolumbus was just another tourist sailing 3 boats for a queen. |
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milinz
Joined: 10 Mar 2007
Posts: 776
Location: Planet Earth
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:57 am
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[quote="rolffimages"] | milinz wrote: | | gordan wrote: | | evaners wrote: | | rformidable wrote: | | and the united states government insists on instilling it's 'democrazy' on every other country in the world.... |
But tell me, what exactly are we doing to every single other country? How could we possibly be so tremendously all-powerful that we can instill democracy on everyone?? |
May I.....
Forcing countries that want to join NATO and be considered democratic peaceful only in that way with certain terms, or facing them to huge propaganda of being potentially dangerous. And all that under terms of buying your old military equipment , by sending their troupes in your little actions , by building your military bases in their countries , and even getting the mass destruction weapons there.
What about forcing countries to sign that they cant prosecute any American citizen , that he can not send him to international court no matter what crime he does or how many people he kills.
Whatever he does America demands that he is send in the USA for "fair" prosecution like there is not democracy anywhere else in the world.
When they agree on those terms , well then they are considered democratic peaceful country then.[/quote
Good points Gordan! |
I DON'T THINK THE RED HIGHLIGHTED STATEMENT IS ACCURATE. CAN YOU SUPPLY YOUR SOURCE FOR THIS STATEMENT? |
There are many examples of it but most of them are more connected to US military...
I remember some US pilot was flying a plane and made incident killing some Italians not by shooting - he just cut some wire in Italian tourist resort by flying low altitude - he was not extradicted to Italy as Italian government asked.
In Bosnia military drivers could run military vehicles on cars and kill someone (even kids) but not to be charged under Bosnian laws in Bosnia...
In Kosovo military can shoot someone and not to be found to go on court...
In Iraq there was some private companies 'soldiers' who introduced beating, killing, and other animal actions over Iraqi people (even if you can call them terrorists or however). And if found that they did that - just was pulled out from Iraq into US and after a while they returned to do a 'job' again. Pitty is because all that crimes was drown under US flag as 'intelligence gathering' and payed by US government to some EX US government peoples security and logistic companies... But no any of them charged for crimes until now... They had right to do anything what they wanted to other people...
At last well known recent military action of liberation of soldier(s) (I am not sure were they Britons or Americans and I wrote this by my remembering) who was held in todays Iraqi government controled prison?
What do you think about this? |
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pjhunton
Joined: 08 Feb 2007
Posts: 18
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:53 am
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| evaners wrote: | | milinz wrote: | | evaners wrote: | | helix7 wrote: | | Most Americans have had enough of American government lies, also. But sadly, too many people in this country are too foolish to do anything different and stop voting only along party lines. We have the power to change things, yet when given the opportunity most Americans just do the same thing they did last time. |
I got news for you, we've been saying we "had enough" since about 1781. It's a fact of life, common to all governments throughout history, that they lie to us. The Roman Senate was full of lying, scheming bureaucrats, and so is ours. So is every country's. Since the dawn of civilization, leaders have led us into unnecessary wars. And given that, for the foreseeable future, we will continue to choose human beings for leaders, their human nature is going to always be a problem. The best cure is to elect a new administration every, say, four years . . . oh, wait, as you mentioned, we already have that opportunity. I guess the blame's on our collective heads. |
No... Blame is again on governments and their behaviour... |
Yes, well, we elect our government. Those politicians that we complain about are all chosen by the people. Therefore their behavior is our responsibility. We often have congressmen in office for life because people continue to re-elect them time after time. I believe the only way to keep the government honest (relatively) is to have regular turnover of those that represent us. If they know that we may toss them out of office at the end of their term, they may care a little more about our opinion. The founding fathers never intended these offices to be careers. They imagined a gentleman leaving his estate for a few years to represent his district, and then going home again to his "real" job. |
"Yes, well, we elect our government." Do we indeed?
Last voting in America was a bit on the err, hmmm biased side to Mr Bush wasnt it?
And as for us Brits, I have never voted for Gordon Brown for anything let alone Prime Minister, I wouldnt let him run an ant farm.
At the end of the day they have ways and means of twisting things to fit their needs no matter what the people say or vote.
Personally I would love to be able to do something, but my values are more that we as a race (the only race - HUMAN) seem to forget we are only borrowing this tiny planet, we don't actually "own" it and the sooner we all become aware that it will be here long after us as it was long before us the better we can get on with living instead of constantly bickering over things that are in the end rather pathetic, like religion or where a border on a map should be.
Face it Oil rules this planet and those that produce it, distribute it and sell it. So the big question is if you can run a deisel engine on cooking oil with little or no damage to the planet why dont we? the same reason we go to war, because the few people that benefit from oil make it so.
End of rant..... Smile and the world smiles with you, discover oil and they all invade! |
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gordan
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Posts: 109
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:03 am
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[quote="rolffimages"] | milinz wrote: | | gordan wrote: | | evaners wrote: | | rformidable wrote: | | and the united states government insists on instilling it's 'democrazy' on every other country in the world.... |
But tell me, what exactly are we doing to every single other country? How could we possibly be so tremendously all-powerful that we can instill democracy on everyone?? |
May I.....
Forcing countries that want to join NATO and be considered democratic peaceful only in that way with certain terms, or facing them to huge propaganda of being potentially dangerous. And all that under terms of buying your old military equipment , by sending their troupes in your little actions , by building your military bases in their countries , and even getting the mass destruction weapons there.
What about forcing countries to sign that they cant prosecute any American citizen , that he can not send him to international court no matter what crime he does or how many people he kills.
Whatever he does America demands that he is send in the USA for "fair" prosecution like there is not democracy anywhere else in the world.
When they agree on those terms , well then they are considered democratic peaceful country then.[/quote
Good points Gordan! |
I DON'T THINK THE RED HIGHLIGHTED STATEMENT IS ACCURATE. CAN YOU SUPPLY YOUR SOURCE FOR THIS STATEMENT? |
May I ...
Well you think wrong , as in 2003 reporters got their hands on a secret document , on of many letters sent , where is clearly visible USA is forcing Croatia to sign the "Article 98" and blackmailing the country with their future NATO status.
Its more than clear , no signing , no military training for your troupes , and without those joining NATO is impossible as we know. So from that you can also conclude the credibility of NATO.
The Article 98 was not signed by most old NATO members in Europe , but few new countries (NATO candidates at that time) that did sign it ,joined the NATO almost instantly after signing it , those candidates who didn't , well they are still waiting. The only exception is Macedonia who did sign it but Greece put a veto of their acceptance cause of their international matter with the Macedonia about the "copyright" :) of the Macedonian name.
So here you are:
The original document:
And the "Article 98" of what they talk about:
That settles the matter , me thinks |
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endomat
Joined: 09 Jul 2005
Posts: 14
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:31 am
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Just another step to New World Order
What will be next ?
United America,United Asia, United Europe.
Big Brother waching and protecting You.
After Al Kaida, Iran, Korea...space invaders will be"in fashion" |
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milinz
Joined: 10 Mar 2007
Posts: 776
Location: Planet Earth
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:26 am
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| endomat wrote: |
Just another step to New World Order
What will be next ?
United America,United Asia, United Europe.
Big Brother waching and protecting You.
After Al Kaida, Iran, Korea...space invaders will be"in fashion" |
Lol - it seems so!
They are already 'in fashion'... I heard something about special forces against alien invaders... Some satellites having armed with nukes and so on...
But, we are really going out of initial thread title and topic... Can we please return to it?
By the way, GOOD DATA GORDAN! |
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kivi
Joined: 28 Jan 2007
Posts: 507
Location: Latvia
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:49 am
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| rolffimages wrote: | | kivi wrote: | Finally! I know how to post in BIG letters...
Me, me, ...Me! |
Hey Kivi,
Are you taking some kind of jab at me with this post? |
I had to look in the dictionary on word "jab" and still it's a bit foggy.
Just noticed everyone gets serious. So I wanted to say something stupid and I really didn't knew how to change font size before quoting that )) |
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bucky
Joined: 16 Mar 2007
Posts: 113
Location: www.africannaturephotos.com/ss
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:53 am
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All I know, is that the situation in the middle east, and the resulting oil price is proving disastrous for us here in Africa (South Africa)
Many of the low income bracket employees have even given up there jobs because it now costs them there entire pay packet to get to work and back with public transport. |
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mpemberton
Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Posts: 524
Location: Victoria, BC
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:55 am
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| Susan wrote: | Then you must be a Canadian Aboriginal citizen... a direct descendant of the Aboriginal people of Canada who belong to the recognized indigenous groups in the Canadian Constitution Act of 1982.
3.8% of Canada's total population are the Native peoples Indians, Métis, and Inuit. I wonder how they feel about the terrorist who invaded their territories.
You will not find a culture on the planet that was not invaded or did some invading themselves. The aboriginal people invaded each other... only then they "sometimes" ate each other. Here is a nice world map. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/Cannibalism.jpg
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Yes, I am Métis.
Invading and Occupation was the way of the world back then. The Europeans that occupied and killed for land are long gone. It can never be undone.
Many natives would like to express their culture and be free, but in my opinion, that does not work today.
Historically, canibalism is common amoung all cultures native or not. Not sure why you only target native americans? Also, why you have all the native nations grouped as one unit and then apply cannibalism to them?
oops: Here is the link to where you dug your map up from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalism |
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Susan
Joined: 06 May 2005
Posts: 2726
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:14 am
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Thought you would focus on the superfluous. I mentioned canabalism only to showcase that the world has always been at war with invaders in various forms... ;)even the Americas.
I guess you did not look at the map... it does not outline only Native Americans it shows it's "fear provoking" use throughout the world.
Cannibalism is only one expression of aggression... many more remain today and we see them in this thread and on these boards! Insulting people is a form of aggression!
Aggression breeds aggression and it is becoming ever clearer on these boards that we do not want to find common ground. Lots think fighting, provoking and insulting people is more fun...
I am with Perry / Riffmax... I have been happily and consistently coming to these boards everyday since May 2005... the pervasive nastiness and ugly content over the last few months makes me not want to come here anymore!
| mpemberton wrote: | | Susan wrote: | Then you must be a Canadian Aboriginal citizen... a direct descendant of the Aboriginal people of Canada who belong to the recognized indigenous groups in the Canadian Constitution Act of 1982.
3.8% of Canada's total population are the Native peoples Indians, Métis, and Inuit. I wonder how they feel about the terrorist who invaded their territories.
You will not find a culture on the planet that was not invaded or did some invading themselves. The aboriginal people invaded each other... only then they "sometimes" ate each other. Here is a nice world map. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/Cannibalism.jpg
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Yes, I am Métis.
Invading and Occupation was the way of the world back then. The Europeans that occupied and killed for land are long gone. It can never be undone.
Many natives would like to express their culture and be free, but in my opinion, that does not work today.
Historically, canibalism is common amoung all cultures native or not. Not sure why you only target native americans? Also, why you have all the native nations grouped as one unit and then apply cannibalism to them?
oops: Here is the link to where you dug your map up from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalism |
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