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digitalchaos · Joined: 31 Jan 2007 Posts: 265 Location: Toronto, Canada

Technically speaking, 1080p is a better (& bigger) picture. However, with that said you'll probably want to be using the PhotoJPG codec to encode a progressive source. Also you're file sizes I suspect will come out larger.

Now as for the HV20, you'll want to look at is if the camera is actually shooting in 24fps @ 1080p, or if it's just some sort of fancy look alike mode. I don't own one myself so I don't know if it's exactly a "legit" 1080p.

Lastly you must know that, the terms '24p' and '1080p' refer to two totally different things, and will in turn produce different settings for encoding. The settings I put out in the tutorial was for a interlaced source, at full "HD" resolution.

Ultimately, I would shoot 1080p over 1080i and 30 fps over 24 fps when it comes to stock footage. You need to figure out exactly what your camera can shoot in and then factor in file size for your personal archival and a method for encoding and uploading to Shutterstock.

Hope this shed some light, The video world is a tricky one.

edgelore · Joined: 05 Jan 2007 Posts: 331

wow thanks for the fast reply - yeah, it is tricky and i feel like i have 10 times more things to learn than when i first got into still photography. it's fun and i love a challenge, but the first few months are all about trying not to get frustrated by the learning curve... i just want to start creating great content without the trouble of having to learn how :)

from what i've researched so far, the hv20 doesn't record straight 24p. it embeds the 24p frames in the 1080i stream that gets recorded to tape. hence the need to reverse telecline the stream to get to true 1080p. it creates more work to get true progressive out of the stream, but even in 24p mode you can also work with the 1080i coming off the tape as native HDV with a 24p "look" to it. whatever that means. of course, it's an optional mode and you can also just shoot straight 1080i HDV to begin with.

ok, something else i've noticed is that when i treat the 24p mode footage like a progressive source, uncheck those interlace-related options, and encode to PhotoJPG, i still see the interlacing artifacts every few frames when i play the final output back (on my LCD of course). so something tells me it has just been encoded and not truly had the 3:2 pulldown completed.

i was thinking about using this:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~jeschot/home.html to try some things since we have a mac in the house, but my primary system is a pc and it would be a pain to be going back and forth with footage. hence, my hope to find a simpler workflow than what i've seen out there so far to learn and experiment with 24p/1080p on the hv20.

any hv20 owners out there that have crossed these bridges already? i hope i am not butchering the terminology or the concepts.

digitalchaos · Joined: 31 Jan 2007 Posts: 265 Location: Toronto, Canada

It seems to me that the HV20 doesn't shoot a true 24p stream. Yet uses 'smart' methods to "fake" the 24p look.

I'd say personally you're best off shooting good ol' 30 fps HDV 1080i, capture the HDV files, and then encode them with this tutorial guide and upload. It's simple and it's fast enough once you get the hang of it. True proper 24 fps 1080p comes from cameras that are far more expensive than the HV20.

edgelore · Joined: 05 Jan 2007 Posts: 331

kirstysan · Joined: 04 May 2007 Posts: 6 Location: Adelaide, Australia

Firstly I just wanted to say thank you for this tutorial! I'm new here so it's been really valuable in understanding the export formats etc.

Just a quick question though... I followed your tutorial exactly (as far as I can tell!) and then uploaded 2 clips via FTP to Shutterstock. This was approx 2 days ago, and it says that I have 2 files waiting to be submitted, but when I go to the keywording page, they show up as a thin line instead of a thumbnail.

Is this normal? I'm not sure whether it's just a slow process, whether clips normally display as a line and I should continue with the keywording process, or whether there is a problem with my files. I don't want to bother Moishe unnecessarily, so if anyone can shed some light for me, that would be great.

Thanks!

digitalchaos · Joined: 31 Jan 2007 Posts: 265 Location: Toronto, Canada

Definitely keyword your clips and submit them. Most of the time the thumbnails never show for me when I'm key wording either.

kirstysan · Joined: 04 May 2007 Posts: 6 Location: Adelaide, Australia

Thank you!

ivonnewierink · Joined: 27 Jan 2007 Posts: 78

For a few days now I have the Canon XH-A1 HD camera. Today I have edit one clip, and I studied this topic. Very good!

One question, is it possible to export the good format directly from Adobe CS3? I used al the settings in the first topic, but it looks more like 4:3. I read one reaction that SS shows it in the right format, but the thumbnail from my waiting HD-clip (485 MB :W) is not good?

EDIT: Sorry, it's solved, I used MPEG Streamclip :)

dapoopta · Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:35 pm

If you have CS3 use it to import, edit and export. Don't use any of the programs mentioned...

ivonnewierink · Joined: 27 Jan 2007 Posts: 78

Yes, I use CS3, but can't find the good setting for the 16:9 format.

dapoopta · Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:12 pm

for my canon hv 30, import as 1440x1080 for 60i. then export as quicktime , 99% quality, DO NOT DEINTERLACE, jpeg B movie. If you need more help pm me, i'll send you my preset.

Rekindle · Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:34 pm

I've never had a clip produce a "Thumb" of it prior to keywording. With lots and lots of clips here I thought that was standard. Unlike most other sites that generate a thumb after ftp'ing, SS just gives a name and ya have to go back to my original file to see what the keywords should be. I really wish a thumb was generated first, keywording would be so much easier.

terastock · Joined: 23 Jul 2008 Posts: 3 Location: Asia

thank god i found these thread.
I fond it unbelievebly confusing guideline made by SS

Thanks digitalchaos

dapoopta · Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:28 pm

Yes, there are a lot of things to learn. This doesn't even tell you all. You will learn from experience :-)