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lilcrazyfuzzy


Joined: 29 Nov 2005
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Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 4:22 am     Reply with quote

C'mon guys, this is the best solution so far
Shout here and have our AGENT move where such illegal (additional) tax crap can be avoided
This or do as any other company that has tried that way, ignore the IRS, hire a bunch of good lawyers to keep them occupied
Or fail miserably!

#1 C. Hou / lilcrazyfuzzy
wtolenaars


Joined: 02 May 2006
Posts: 3523
Location: The Netherlands

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 4:35 am     Reply with quote

#2 W. Tolenaars / WTolenaars
hilaryaq


Joined: 07 Jun 2006
Posts: 1267
Location: www.photosfordesigns.com

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 4:41 am     Reply with quote

#3 H. Quinn / hilaryaq

(ready to leave)
uzuri


Joined: 12 Jun 2007
Posts: 520
Location: The Netherlands

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 5:16 am     Reply with quote

#4 R. van der Beek / uzuri
mreco


Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Posts: 1146
Location: Hampshire, UK

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 5:29 am     Reply with quote

if im reading it correctly it does not affect Germany and UK and Netherlands
http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/abt62243.html

check the country list at the bottom

UK 0% 0%
Germany 0% 0%
Netherlands 0% 0%
uzuri


Joined: 12 Jun 2007
Posts: 520
Location: The Netherlands

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 5:47 am     Reply with quote

mreco wrote:
if im reading it correctly it does not affect Germany and UK and Netherlands
http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/abt62243.html

check the country list at the bottom

UK 0% 0%
Germany 0% 0%
Netherlands 0% 0%


We all know that list, but to prove that it's 0% we need to do the following:

- get document 8233
- pay $200 on legal documents
- send in your original passport to the IRS
- hope for a response in the next 18 months
- in the mean time lose 30% on your income

...
bichon


Joined: 19 Aug 2005
Posts: 11329
Location: Canada

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 6:07 am     Reply with quote

uzuri wrote:
mreco wrote:
if im reading it correctly it does not affect Germany and UK and Netherlands
http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/abt62243.html

check the country list at the bottom

UK 0% 0%
Germany 0% 0%
Netherlands 0% 0%


We all know that list, but to prove that it's 0% we need to do the following:

- get document 8233
- pay $200 on legal documents
- send in your original passport to the IRS
- hope for a response in the next 18 months
- in the mean time lose 30% on your income

...


i hope we don't have to prove it.. we have our residence registered with SS, no ?
thomasamby


Joined: 12 Nov 2008
Posts: 517
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 6:11 am     Reply with quote

#6 T. Amby Johansen

Shutterstock, please read this. Putting your contributors through this is extremely insulting to us. Shutterstock is my favourite microstock agency of all, and makes up almost 50% of my overall earnings. However, if I have to pay U.S. taxes in addition to my taxes here in Denmark, I will not hesitate to leave for good, and many others will do the same.

Move your business, and everyone will be happy. It's all numbers anyways, you don't have to be located in the U.S. where this stupid law applies.

There is no acceptance office in my country - do you expect me to travel to Germany or England to get an ITIN!? This is a joke!

Many people with experience have already stated that the ITIN is completely unnecessary. It seems that the IRS has made it incredibly difficult to foreign contributors to 'prove' that they do not have to pay U.S. taxes. You should not accept this behaviour from them. Stand up for us and show us that you do care about your contributors, because I know you do.
mreco


Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Posts: 1146
Location: Hampshire, UK

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 6:25 am     Reply with quote

they have a copy of my passport, thats enough
shevs


Joined: 31 Jul 2008
Posts: 1658
Location: Belgium

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 6:47 am     Reply with quote

Quote:
i hope we don't have to prove it.. we have our residence registered with SS, no ?


Oh yes we DO have to proof! And not just have it stamped by a local official. (how to do it right is something still need to be figured out)

Quote:
Hello Guys,

I just wanted to give you the information I collected so far in Germany:
Speaking to an American lawyer, who is an Acceptance Agent here, he stated the following:
- to get a ITIN number through the W-7 document, it is not enough to have a certified copy of you i.d. document
- it is much more important to have some kind of proof/document of shutterstock, that you work for them. This is called document 8233.
- then, to get positive feedback from the IRS is really hard to get, because the ITIN is a first step to become an American citizen (and after 9/11, that is not easy to achieve)
- He said, he will charge around 200€, which seems to be a very good priece, but still is far too much for the money I earn here...
dzain


Joined: 21 Jan 2007
Posts: 2803
Location: The Netherlands

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 7:23 am     Reply with quote

#7 Regien Paassen / dzain (Netherlands)
gudellaphoto


Joined: 11 Sep 2006
Posts: 1151
Location: Hungary

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 7:29 am     Reply with quote

#8 Péter Gudella / gudellaphoto


SS shouldn't pass this problem to the contributors or it WILL fail

We've already sent too much personal info. Not all sites require scan of passport to join. And some of them are as good as SS.

SS really should fix this problem on it's own cost.
We don't work in the USA, we ghave nothing to with that country and I personally never want to.

As we are the copiright holder of the images WE PAY SS the bigger share of the licensing price for it's service to help distribute our own products. The United States are not involved in my production process in any way.
Thanks
dapoopta


Joined: 28 Nov 2007
Posts: 3072
Location: 10,000 shutter clicks away from PRO

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 8:33 am     Reply with quote

Where do all those online poker sites have their headquarters?

That is where they need to go
bichon


Joined: 19 Aug 2005
Posts: 11329
Location: Canada

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 8:35 am     Reply with quote

dapoopta wrote:
Where do all those online poker sites have their headquarters?

That is where they need to go


the caribean islands or something..
maybe nigera too...
mikeledray


Joined: 14 Nov 2004
Posts: 17943
Location: http://www.partytimephotobooth.net

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 8:40 am     Reply with quote

Gimmie your 30% or else
isolated .45 cal hand gun

http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-790601-isolated-cal-hand-gun.html
 
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