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laurafoto


Joined: 11 May 2006
Posts: 55
Location: Rome

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 10:37 am     Reply with quote

thanks for this post
davidarts


Joined: 12 Jul 2008
Posts: 793
Location: Italy

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 10:44 am     Reply with quote

Hi,

I'm Italian too.
The number is 12 (not 14) . I'm 99% sure of this! :-D

I've got an answer:
What should we write in those 2 letters? :
"- lettera, ovviamente in inglese, con la motivazione della richiesta
- lettera d'incarico da parte del cliente americano
"

Can we post here a fac-simile of those 2 letter?

Many Thanks!

DAvid
g2studio


Joined: 10 Jul 2008
Posts: 323
Location: Naples, Italy

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 11:11 am     Reply with quote



Username: your shutterstock username
Your name and surname
Home Address

City, State
CAP


Dear your name,

This letter is to advise you of potential changes in the amount of tax that may be withheld from your Shutterstock earnings.

In reviewing our files we discovered that we do not have a record of having received any US withholding tax certificates from you. Based upon the information in our files it appears that you may be a resident of Italy, which has an income tax treaty with the United States that provides for a reduced rate of withholding tax on royalties.

If you are a resident of Italy and qualify for benefits under the US/Italy income tax treaty, you will need to complete a U.S. Internal Revenue Service (IRS) Form W-8BEN, Certificate of Foreign Status of Beneficial Owner for United States Tax Withholding. We are in the process of installing an online version of Form W-8BEN on our website; however, in order to complete Form W-8BEN you must have a U.S. Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN). If you do not currently have an ITIN, you can obtain one by filing a Form W-7, Application for IRS Individual Taxpayer Identification Number, with the IRS. This process takes only 4-6 weeks and could reduce your withholding taxes significantly.

Please complete the most recent version of Form W-7 by checking Box a (Nonresident alien required to obtain ITIN to claim tax treaty benefits), providing the information requested in Lines 1 through 6, and signing the form where indicated. You must provide certified or notarized copies of documents, such as your passport, that substantiate the information contained on Form W-7.

After completing the W-7 form and providing the required documentation as described above, you can apply for an ITIN in any of three ways:

1. by mail through the IRS, with details available here:

http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=96287,00.html

2. using the services of an IRS-authorized Acceptance Agent in your country

3. by visiting an IRS Taxpayer Assistance Center in Frankfurt, London, or Paris, where they will provide in-person help with ITIN applications on a walk-in or appointment basis.

http://www.irs.gov/localcontacts/article/0,,id=101292,00.html

Please note that without an ITIN and a completed IRS Form W-8BEN on file at Shutterstock, we will be required to deduct a 30% US withholding tax from royalties payable to you.

We will send you a separate email when our online Form W-8BEN is ready for use. Your early June royalty payment will not be subject to withholdings but subsequent royalty payments may be.

If you have questions on tax withholding from your Shutterstock earnings, please visit our submitter forum.



Thank you for your cooperation and attention to this matter.



Best Regards,

Shutterstock Images LLC



Shutterstock Images LLC |=
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Broad Street, 30th Floor | New York, NY 10004 | USA
g2studio


Joined: 10 Jul 2008
Posts: 323
Location: Naples, Italy

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 11:13 am     Reply with quote

citylights wrote:
G2STUDIO, THANKS A LOT FOR YOUR EFFORTS.
In the meanwhile I red something about getting the document validated on IRS site. Since there is an agreement about USA and many other countries about double taxation, alien citizens need ITIN to get W-8EBN form and need to validate the document(s) to get ITIN. On the governament site you can read it is possible to do everything by mail without going to Rome but since you should send the ORIGINAL DOCUMENT to get validation (and this is simply FOOL) thanks to the agreement between USA and Italy you can send a copy of the PASSPORT or a of 2 other documents (driver licence, ID, etc) together with something called "APOSTILLA" that needs to be filled and stamped by an italian authority. Everything can be found following the link provided in the original mail sent by SS (the new nazi association)


If so this is wonderful news, but how can my documents can get validated? I mean by whom?


Last edited by g2studio on Thu May 28, 2009 11:17 am; edited 1 time in total
g2studio


Joined: 10 Jul 2008
Posts: 323
Location: Naples, Italy

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 11:16 am     Reply with quote

artshots wrote:
I didn't understand one thing.

Of the money taken by SS I pay italian taxes but now after the US taxes what should i do? a difference or whatever?

If yes, does the US gov will ship to me a receipt of taxes payed to them to reduce my italian taxes?


I do not pay anything, anyway there's a way to get your US tax deducted from the italian ones... go visit the official thread posted by admins with the FAQ: I read something about it there
citylights


Joined: 28 Feb 2006
Posts: 38

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 11:35 am     Reply with quote

FOLLOW THE LINK
http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=96287,00.html

AND CLICK ON "How can I obtain an ITIN from abroad?" in section HELP AND INFORMATION.
You'll find out that thanks to the HAGUE CONVENTION (and Italy is part of that convention) you can have your passport or any other of the 13 valid documents validated by the same authority who issued the original one, copies must be accompanied by an "APOSTILLA". The APOSTILLA can be downloaded from a link provided in tha same page. The one I found myself is in English and I don't know if it exists in Italian too, so I think this could be a problem.... imagine to ask for it to the middle age lady working in the Anagrafe of your Comune.... Maybe it could be simplier in Questura. Anyway the "APOSTILLA must be attached to copies when sent by registered mail to IRS in the USA.
g2studio


Joined: 10 Jul 2008
Posts: 323
Location: Naples, Italy

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 11:41 am     Reply with quote

citylights wrote:
FOLLOW THE LINK
http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=96287,00.html

AND CLICK ON "How can I obtain an ITIN from abroad?" in section HELP AND INFORMATION.
You'll find out that thanks to the HAGUE CONVENTION (and Italy is part of that convention) you can have your passport or any other of the 13 valid documents validated by the same authority who issued the original one, copies must be accompanied by an "APOSTILLA". The APOSTILLA can be downloaded from a link provided in tha same page. The one I found myself is in English and I don't know if it exists in Italian too, so I think this could be a problem.... imagine to ask for it to the middle age lady working in the Anagrafe of your Comune.... Maybe it could be simplier in Questura. Anyway the "APOSTILLA must be attached to copies when sent by registered mail to IRS in the USA.


I'll go read it, it sounds great. I can only imagine what can happen here in a Comune's office in Naples OMG!!! But it's worth trying that.
Thank you so much!
g2studio


Joined: 10 Jul 2008
Posts: 323
Location: Naples, Italy

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 12:47 pm     Reply with quote

Ok the embassy issue and the Apostilla can be avoided just going to the Questura or Police dep. of your city and ask for a certified copy of your passport, that will do according to what the IRS says.

then you put all together: certified copy of the passport, letter from shutterstock, w-7 filled properly and sen everything via Posta Raccomandata to the IRS agency address given in the Shutterstock letter.

This should put the word end to this odyssey

Then just wait for the ITIN number to come via mail and you can finally fill the W-8 form.

Wheeeew

Ora se permettete stacco che mi sono bruciato il cervello.
citylights


Joined: 28 Feb 2006
Posts: 38

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 2:02 pm     Reply with quote

GRAZIE MILLE
ollirg


Joined: 06 Aug 2007
Posts: 64
Location: Italy

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 2:50 pm     Reply with quote

g2studio wrote:
Ok the embassy issue and the Apostilla can be avoided just going to the Questura or Police dep. of your city and ask for a certified copy of your passport, that will do according to what the IRS says.

then you put all together: certified copy of the passport, letter from shutterstock, w-7 filled properly and sen everything via Posta Raccomandata to the IRS agency address given in the Shutterstock letter.

This should put the word end to this odyssey

Then just wait for the ITIN number to come via mail and you can finally fill the W-8 form.

Wheeeew

Ora se permettete stacco che mi sono bruciato il cervello.



To obtain the apostilla(postilla) must turn to provincial Prefecture(prefettura)

thanks for info
g2studio


Joined: 10 Jul 2008
Posts: 323
Location: Naples, Italy

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 2:59 pm     Reply with quote

ollirg wrote:
g2studio wrote:
Ok the embassy issue and the Apostilla can be avoided just going to the Questura or Police dep. of your city and ask for a certified copy of your passport, that will do according to what the IRS says.

then you put all together: certified copy of the passport, letter from shutterstock, w-7 filled properly and sen everything via Posta Raccomandata to the IRS agency address given in the Shutterstock letter.

This should put the word end to this odyssey

Then just wait for the ITIN number to come via mail and you can finally fill the W-8 form.

Wheeeew

Ora se permettete stacco che mi sono bruciato il cervello.



To obtain the apostilla(postilla) must turn to provincial Prefecture(prefettura)

thanks for info


Thank you for the precise hint. Anyway I think that it's less time consuming going get your certified passport's copy at the main Questura of our cities.
The Apostilla is only available in english, can you imagine the scene of you showing this document in english to a clerk of the Prefettura? Probably they won't even know what is that all about.
ollirg


Joined: 06 Aug 2007
Posts: 64
Location: Italy

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 3:09 pm     Reply with quote

g2studio wrote:
ollirg wrote:
g2studio wrote:
Ok the embassy issue and the Apostilla can be avoided just going to the Questura or Police dep. of your city and ask for a certified copy of your passport, that will do according to what the IRS says.

then you put all together: certified copy of the passport, letter from shutterstock, w-7 filled properly and sen everything via Posta Raccomandata to the IRS agency address given in the Shutterstock letter.

This should put the word end to this odyssey

Then just wait for the ITIN number to come via mail and you can finally fill the W-8 form.

Wheeeew

Ora se permettete stacco che mi sono bruciato il cervello.



To obtain the apostilla(postilla) must turn to provincial Prefecture(prefettura)

thanks for info


Thank you for the precise hint. Anyway I think that it's less time consuming going get your certified passport's copy at the main Questura of our cities.
The Apostilla is only available in english, can you imagine the scene of you showing this document in english to a clerk of the Prefettura? Probably they won't even know what is that all about.



I do not have the passport and I will have 'legalize' with apostille my driving licence and identity card
claudiodivizia


Joined: 14 May 2007
Posts: 338
Location: www.postpop.co.uk

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 3:10 pm     Reply with quote

citylights wrote:
you can have your passport or any other of the 13 valid documents validated by the same authority who issued the original one, copies must be accompanied by an "APOSTILLA".


g2studio wrote:
I'll go read it, it sounds great. I can only imagine what can happen here in a Comune's office in Naples OMG!!! But it's worth trying that.
Thank you so much!


I tried this morning to validate my national id card in my town (Settimo Torinese, near Turin) and it wasn't fun. They said they cannot validate their own documents because in italy a self-certification that it is a true copy is enough. And they don't actually care about foreign use of italian documents.

So IRS' option 1 is invalid for me.

Didn't try to validate a passport though (since my own is expired!)
g2studio


Joined: 10 Jul 2008
Posts: 323
Location: Naples, Italy

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 3:15 pm     Reply with quote

yes I knew about that. They won't validate your documents... I hope Police will make it for a passport since it's a document you usually use abroad.
I'll find that out by tomorrow and I'll let you know posting here.

if that doesn't work either... then the pilgrimage to Rome seems the only way to get our documents certified

claudiodivizia wrote:
citylights wrote:
you can have your passport or any other of the 13 valid documents validated by the same authority who issued the original one, copies must be accompanied by an "APOSTILLA".


g2studio wrote:
I'll go read it, it sounds great. I can only imagine what can happen here in a Comune's office in Naples OMG!!! But it's worth trying that.
Thank you so much!


I tried this morning to validate my national id card in my town (Settimo Torinese, near Turin) and it wasn't fun. They said they cannot validate their own documents because in italy a self-certification that it is a true copy is enough. And they don't actually care about foreign use of italian documents.

So IRS' option 1 is invalid for me.

Didn't try to validate a passport though (since my own is expired!)
claudiodivizia


Joined: 14 May 2007
Posts: 338
Location: www.postpop.co.uk

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 3:29 pm     Reply with quote

g2studio wrote:
yes I knew about that. They won't validate your documents... I hope Police will make it for a passport since it's a document you usually use abroad.
I'll find that out by tomorrow and I'll let you know posting here.


ok, thanks!
 
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