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waugi


Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 58

Post Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 5:30 pm     Reply with quote

Is here anybody from Austria?
If Yes - it would be nice to communicate how we must handle this in Austria.
Or is it the same as in Germany?

How ever - it would be good and helpful to have a
explanation of what to do in German language.

Also es wäre toll von jemandem, der alles ordungsgemäß durchgeführt hat, und bei dem's auch geklappt hat, eine
Schritt für Schritt Beschreibung zu bekommen.
pheby


Joined: 02 Oct 2008
Posts: 5

Post Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:26 pm     Reply with quote

Hi waugi,
it seems as if it's enough to apply for an EIN instead of an ITIN if you have your own business. That was confirmed by an admin, and it seems easy to get, you can even apply online on the irs-website. There's a thread here in the forum about it you should read (sorry, can't link it).
mikari


Joined: 26 Jul 2007
Posts: 26
Location: Austria

Post Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 3:42 am     Reply with quote

Hi Austrians,

well,..for me as a pure hobbyist it seems getting an ITIN is the only way to go, provided that effort and costs are reasonable wrt. to my 'symbolic' earnings here. Still pondering whether it's worth the effort at all.

However i'd appreciate if anyone who already managed to get an ITIN in Austria could share his experiences with us.

cheers,
Mike
pheby


Joined: 02 Oct 2008
Posts: 5

Post Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 3:46 pm     Reply with quote

I read in one of the threads here that someone from Britain tried three times to get the ITIN with the help of a lawyer and failed each time for formal reasons (he put "na" instead of "n/a" somewhere on the form). He spent about $600 on it. Also, I think you should consider that a) you are giving a foreign government your personal data and b) the US is a foreign country and tax system to you; once you have the ITIN, you maybe not able to overlook the consequences: What if you suddenly have to give in a tax declaration every year (that you maybe not able to do on your own and need a lawyer specialized on the subject)? What if you don't earn money with US-agencies anymore? How are you going to proove that?
So cost and time aren't the only factors. I'm not going to apply for either number (I don't have my own business yet). Oh, by the way, I'm not Austrian, I'm British but I live in Germany.
Regards,
Barbara
mikari


Joined: 26 Jul 2007
Posts: 26
Location: Austria

Post Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:28 am     Reply with quote

Barbara,

Yep, didn't mention that explicitly, but also i have this unpleasant feeling in my guts when i think about sending all my personal infos to Uncle Sam.

Although the scenarios you described appear a little bit exaggerated, you are finally right: I have no clear idea about any possible implications.

So my current strategy is: if it turns out, that it is really that hard and expensive to get this ITIN, then together with my guts feeling, the decision is a clear no-go for an ITIN for me. One the other hand if it turns out, that this procedure is easy-peasy, then i (and i'd assume, everyone else) still needs to come to his personal conclusion whether he wants to be fully registered in the IRS databases or not. Clarifying possible implications is also a part of this decision-making, right.
Finally, the fact (?) that only US originated sales are affected defuses the situation for us, which again tempts me to do nothing and thus accept that i donate a few bucks to save the US economy. ;-)

cheers,
Mike
pheby


Joined: 02 Oct 2008
Posts: 5

Post Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 9:29 am     Reply with quote

Mikari,
you got my point! I don't think that I will be able to clarify the implications, so it's no ITIN for me. As long as this agency is the only one witholding taxes, I won't mind. And in the long run, I'm planning to start my own business anyway, and I have less a problem with applying for an EIN, which seems to be much easier.
Barbara.
waugi


Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 58

Post Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:10 am     Reply with quote

Können wir nicht auf deutsch schreiben???
mikari


Joined: 26 Jul 2007
Posts: 26
Location: Austria

Post Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:56 am     Reply with quote

eigentlich schon.
wie ich gesehen habe, schreiben ja eh' alle in Landessprache in den einzeln länderspezifischen threads
:)
waugi


Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 58

Post Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 2:59 pm     Reply with quote

Ja find ich auch.
Also wenn irgendjemand von uns schon Erfahrungen (natürlich positiv abgeschlossene) mit der ganzen Sache gemacht hat, dann posten wir das hier als Hilfestellung für die anderen OK?
dirkr


Joined: 12 Oct 2008
Posts: 6

Post Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:22 pm     Reply with quote

Also die letzte offizielle Nachricht von Shutter war doch so etwa "wartet mit der Beantragung der ITIN noch mal ab, wir melden uns wieder".
Seitdem habe ich nix mehr gehört.

Aber: Eine andere ganz neue US-Agentur sagt, es geht auch ohne ITIN, wenn man selbst der Rechte-Inhaber ist. Die hatten dann ein ganz simples Online-Formular, das Ganze war in zwei Minuten erledigt...

Ich hoffe ja, daß das hier auch darauf hinausläuft...
thegame


Joined: 25 Jul 2008
Posts: 122
Location: Vienna, Austria

Post Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:51 pm     Reply with quote

Österreicher, ja bin ich dabei, hab grad 2 erweiterte lizenzen verkauft... muss sagen 30 prozent würden schon schmerzen, aber wenns wirklich nur käufer aus den USA betrifft wart ich mal ab, wie so die prozent in etwa aussehen... mal abwarten.

@Patrizzia... was machst du? Abwarten? Du machst doch sicher keinen schlechten Umsatz (besser als auf FT?). Auszahlungslimit raufsetzen? Grüße
waugi


Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 58

Post Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:02 pm     Reply with quote

Ups? Du kennst mich? Wie nett :-)
Also ich warte auch mal ab.
Vielleicht tut sich noch was bei shutterstock direkt
und sonst hoffe ich natürlich darauf dass wir von jemandem der alles durchgemacht hat genauere Informationen bekommen.
Ja 30% schmerzen sicher, vor allem weil ich glaube dass bei shutterstock hauptsächlich US-Kunden sind.
Bzgl. Umsätze - ne also hier ist es viel, viel weniger als bei der von Dir genannten Agentur.
nataq


Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Posts: 188
Location: blog.amriphoto.com

Post Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:05 am     Reply with quote

Hallo Leute,
bin auch Österreicher und war die letzten Wochen viel im Ausland, habe also nicht alles so genau verfolgen können. Da ich von Shutterstock nach dem letzten Newsletter nichts mehr diesbezüglich gelesen habe warte ich im Moment auch noch ab.

Ich bin selbständiger Fotograf mit angemeldetem Gewerbe, wenn es also tatsächlich ohne dieses Formular ginge wäre ich schon sehr froh!

Gab´s in der Zwischenzeit irgendwelche Neuerungen?
waugi


Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 58

Post Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 2:35 pm     Reply with quote

Hi nataq,

Nein, ich habe nichts neues gehört.
Ich schaue auch immer mal im forum für deutsche submitters, aber da warten auch die meisten noch ab.

PS:
Hast auch schon ein recht großes Portfolio hier :-)
nataq


Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Posts: 188
Location: blog.amriphoto.com

Post Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:29 pm     Reply with quote

Hi und vielen Dank für die Rückmeldung.

Wow, Deine Bilder sind mir aber auch schon öfter mal aufgefallen - ohne zu wissen, dass sie aus dem Heimatland kommen ;-).
 
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