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weberfoto
Joined: 02 Dec 2004
Posts: 480
Location: South Carolina
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:11 pm
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Some of the photographers here have posted that they get their models via postings on craigslist or ModelMayhem. I got the few models that I have on my portfolio from MM.
The question that I have is: do you answer all replies, even if they are obviously not material for stock. I state in my posting that the shoot(s) would be for stock. But I get replies from people that would only be of any use if the shoot was about drug addicts or alcoholics. A couple weeks ago I had a couple guys send me pics obviously taken with camera phones and they looked like they had a hangover from a three day bender or were in the middle of a heavy drug binge.
In the past I've been sending replies to everybody who answered the ads, but I'm getting tired of wasting my time on some of these people just to be nice.
edited by weberfoto:
My apologies to Bobby at VVS. A good portion of the model images in my portfolio are from the two shoots I attended at VVS and Bobby made the arrangements for those models. Which by the way were great and real pros. But then, everything Bobby does is a class act.
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cardmaverick
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
Posts: 804
Location: Washtington DC, USA www.chrisnuzzaco.com
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:51 pm
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| weberfoto wrote: | Some of the photographers here have posted that they get their models via postings on craigslist or ModelMayhem. I got the few models that I have on my portfolio from MM.
The question that I have is: do you answer all replies, even if they are obviously not material for stock. I state in my posting that the shoot(s) would be for stock. But I get replies from people that would only be of any use if the shoot was about drug addicts or alcoholics. A couple weeks ago I had a couple guys send me pics obviously taken with camera phones and they looked like they had a hangover from a three day bender or were in the middle of a heavy drug binge.
In the past I've been sending replies to everybody who answered the ads, but I'm getting tired of wasting my time on some of these people just to be nice. |
Be very selective. I do put out casting calls now on MM, but I'm upfront in the ad about what I want, and I seem to have a fairly decent response. The only issue I've had, is that some models are just too far away.
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weberfoto
Joined: 02 Dec 2004
Posts: 480
Location: South Carolina
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:08 pm
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Chris,
I state right up front that this is for stock, TFCD for their portfolios and they need to sign a model release.
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cardmaverick
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
Posts: 804
Location: Washtington DC, USA www.chrisnuzzaco.com
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:28 pm
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| weberfoto wrote: | Chris,
I state right up front that this is for stock, TFCD for their portfolios and they need to sign a model release. |
I mean MORE selective, as in "I'm in search of fit, attractive, Caucasian female models ages 18-30. I'm not interested in body builder women."
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rinder99
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
Posts: 32266
Location: Stock,food,portrait books www.rindersmithphotography.com
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:50 pm
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I think MM used to be good a few years ago. Now it's a bunch of kids that 90% of will never be models. They just wanna get laid or something. I still prefer finding people in Markets Or wherever. One Model Place is a lot more professional. and Nowdays anyone good is not gonna do stock unless he or she doesn't know the robes yet.Of course It depends on what your looking for to begin With. Pretty girls are kinda boring and very overdone. Im looking for character, Out of the ordinary, Unique.
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mikeledray
Joined: 14 Nov 2004
Posts: 17745
Location: The King of the Count Down!
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:14 pm
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I had one cat (who kept telling me he was unemployee) and thus has lots of time on his hands want to come from Vegas for a TFCD photo shoot.
I first set it up for a public place like Laguna but then he started to come accross sort of strangely weird so I kindly let him go!
I rather use my dog than some of these people!
LOL
at least I know where She lives
and she works Cheap, a couple of milk bones tossed her way and shes happy
:)
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cardmaverick
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
Posts: 804
Location: Washtington DC, USA www.chrisnuzzaco.com
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:54 pm
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I personally hate OMP. The design of that site reminds me of Yahoo, WAY to cluttered. I suppose it depends on your area as well. I've had far better luck with MM in the DC area. I do still however, have to weed out the crap, but I can tell pretty fast these days. I also require all models to meet me in person before any shoots, somewhere public. It's a great thing to do. If they show up, we dive more into detail about what I shoot, etc... If they don't show, well, lets just say I never even get to the point of leaving my house. I just figure it out real quick when they start "email flaking" and the meeting is never setup to begin with.
I do like the idea of approaching people you just find. My only issue with that is, unlike a casting call, you have no idea if they even care one bit about your shoot. Both approaches have their ups and downs.
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jeffbanke
Joined: 18 Dec 2005
Posts: 13738
Location: www.xlr8photo.com, slipping into darkness
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:35 pm
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| cardmaverick wrote: | | I also require all models to meet me in person before any shoots, somewhere public.. |
I like to do much the same thing, doing a short outdoor shoot before I invite them to my studio/home, and then insist they bring a chaperone, or if they cannot I get a 75 year old african american lady friend to sit in on the shoot, and since she just loves the "scene" often invite her to sit in anyway. In fact on another micro site she is my #1 seller! :)!
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weberfoto
Joined: 02 Dec 2004
Posts: 480
Location: South Carolina
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:08 pm
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Great advice from everybody, thanks. I've been doing most of what you guys suggested all along. But so far nobody has even touched my original question: do you send replies to everybody that doesn't look like it'll be a fit for what you have in mind to acknowledge your appreciation for replying and giving them a polite reason why you don't think they would be a fit.
Or do you just ignore them. Sometimes I feel like doing just that since it seems to be the preferred way models handle it if they are approached via e-mail or a site message.
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jeffbanke
Joined: 18 Dec 2005
Posts: 13738
Location: www.xlr8photo.com, slipping into darkness
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:24 pm
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| weberfoto wrote: | Great advice from everybody, thanks. I've been doing most of what you guys suggested all along. But so far nobody has even touched my original question: do you send replies to everybody that doesn't look like it'll be a fit for what you have in mind to acknowledge your appreciation for replying and giving them a polite reason why you don't think they would be a fit.
Or do you just ignore them. Sometimes I feel like doing just that since it seems to be the preferred way models handle it if they are approached via e-mail or a site message. |
Sorry , Peter, I forgot to mention that yes I do reply to everyone, however, usually on MM forum mail, and then give them my email address, if they follow up and email me with thier tel#, etc, I know at least they are not flakes in that regard. Usually what has happened is after a couple of back and forths, they either flake out or turn out to be OK!
The one problem I did run into wa a girl that had the worst acne problem you could imagine. It was not possible to see that from the images in her portfolio, as obviously the photographer or someone did a good job of using portraitprofessional or PS on her.
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weberfoto
Joined: 02 Dec 2004
Posts: 480
Location: South Carolina
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:11 pm
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| jeffbanke wrote: | | weberfoto wrote: | Great advice from everybody, thanks. I've been doing most of what you guys suggested all along. But so far nobody has even touched my original question: do you send replies to everybody that doesn't look like it'll be a fit for what you have in mind to acknowledge your appreciation for replying and giving them a polite reason why you don't think they would be a fit.
Or do you just ignore them. Sometimes I feel like doing just that since it seems to be the preferred way models handle it if they are approached via e-mail or a site message. |
Sorry , Peter, I forgot to mention that yes I do reply to everyone, however, usually on MM forum mail, and then give them my email address, if they follow up and email me with thier tel#, etc, I know at least they are not flakes in that regard. Usually what has happened is after a couple of back and forths, they either flake out or turn out to be OK!
The one problem I did run into wa a girl that had the worst acne problem you could imagine. It was not possible to see that from the images in her portfolio, as obviously the photographer or someone did a good job of using portraitprofessional or PS on her. |
Jeff
I always have replied to in the past too. I think it's the polite way to do it. But I thought I'd find out if that's what other people are doing too. Maybe just because somebody else (I did refer to models) doesn't bother, I shouldn't let myself get dragged down to that level.
I'll continue doing it your way.
I believe you posted a few couple shots of the acne girl, didn't you?
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jeffbanke
Joined: 18 Dec 2005
Posts: 13738
Location: www.xlr8photo.com, slipping into darkness
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:19 pm
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| weberfoto wrote: | | jeffbanke wrote: | | weberfoto wrote: | Great advice from everybody, thanks. I've been doing most of what you guys suggested all along. But so far nobody has even touched my original question: do you send replies to everybody that doesn't look like it'll be a fit for what you have in mind to acknowledge your appreciation for replying and giving them a polite reason why you don't think they would be a fit.
Or do you just ignore them. Sometimes I feel like doing just that since it seems to be the preferred way models handle it if they are approached via e-mail or a site message. |
Sorry , Peter, I forgot to mention that yes I do reply to everyone, however, usually on MM forum mail, and then give them my email address, if they follow up and email me with thier tel#, etc, I know at least they are not flakes in that regard. Usually what has happened is after a couple of back and forths, they either flake out or turn out to be OK!
The one problem I did run into wa a girl that had the worst acne problem you could imagine. It was not possible to see that from the images in her portfolio, as obviously the photographer or someone did a good job of using portraitprofessional or PS on her. |
Jeff
I always have replied to in the past too. I think it's the polite way to do it. But I thought I'd find out if that's what other people are doing too. Maybe just because somebody else (I did refer to models) doesn't bother, I shouldn't let myself get dragged down to that level.
I'll continue doing it your way.
I believe you posted a few couple shots of the acne girl, didn't you? |
Not my way my friend, it is just that you and I were brought up in a different era, social graces were needed by folks much more! So as you said it is just polite, one can however drag the process out and the faint of heart lose interest or go elswhere.
I did indeed post a couple of images of her, here she is raw and "fixed"
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Photoshow
Joined: 05 Nov 2004
Posts: 5447
Location: Somewhere between where I'm going and where I've been
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:18 pm
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| weberfoto wrote: | Great advice from everybody, thanks. I've been doing most of what you guys suggested all along. But so far nobody has even touched my original question: do you send replies to everybody that doesn't look like it'll be a fit for what you have in mind to acknowledge your appreciation for replying and giving them a polite reason why you don't think they would be a fit.
Or do you just ignore them. Sometimes I feel like doing just that since it seems to be the preferred way models handle it if they are approached via e-mail or a site message. |
It varies, I look at it like my casting call is a help wanted ad. If I am looking for a carpenter and a plumber answers I will likely just ignore them. Unless I think in the reasonably near future I may need a plumber then I will offer a courtesy response.
In the end it boils down to the impression they make on me and I don't care it it is MM or OMP if they respond I take a peek, if I think they may be useful to me I will get back to them. If not I don't.
Also I find that each venue has it strengths and weaknesses for providing models. MM and OMP both have a lot of wannabees on them which I tend to ignore, I am not in the business of building free portfolios for kids with cell phone pics today. I also find that a lot of the aspiring models I do find on these sites prove to be reliable and quite capable of performing the modeling duties I hand to them.
I would spend more time using smaller casting agency sites like Model River but the problem is they simply are to new to have the diversity of models to choose from that I need today.
Craig's List - I would never consider booking any model from Craig's List, to me it is the worst possible place to look.
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fabshop
Joined: 17 Jan 2009
Posts: 18
Location: Czech Republic
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:11 am
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"In the past I've been sending replies to everybody who answered the ads, but I'm getting tired of wasting my time on some of these people just to be nice."
Being nice is never a waste of time!
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jmpaget
Joined: 05 Sep 2007
Posts: 1190
Location: UK
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:17 am
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I dont do casting calls. I just find who I want and approach them directly. Works for me, and saves all the hassle of saying thanks but no thanks.
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