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creativeii


Joined: 20 Feb 2009
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Post Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:53 pm     Reply with quote

Recently i had submitted some images of a cricket match between Pakistan and Sri Lanka, match in Dubai. All the images got rejected, and the reason was Not Approved: you must obtain credentials, if obtained, please submit credentials for events
Now is this a new requirement for Event Editorial Images?
If yes where do we get the credentials, we buy the ticket and go to watch match. And if we have one where do I upload them.?

Please help.................
peteklinger


Joined: 01 Aug 2007
Posts: 1027
Location: Great Place By a Great Lake

Post Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:02 am     Reply with quote

Apparently the answer is yes, you need proof. I haven't figured out what they want and haven't been asked, but I haven't sent an event photo lately.

I'm not sure I want to get into the whole how to and everything, but if you are working media, you'll have credentials issued by the venue or the people running the event.

Buying a ticket doesn't give you the right to sell images.

The part I don't understand is if it's editorial, why would someone need credentials. It's news, and that's all that needs to happen.

There must be something going on or changing for agencies to ask for credentials when news should be editorial and free of restrictions.

Being in the US and all the 1st amendment rights may not hold true in other countries, so that could be what I'm missing, since I'm thinking my own situation. That might not be the same for all International situations.
mauijon


Joined: 02 Mar 2005
Posts: 4277
Location: Maui, Hawaii

Post Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:03 pm     Reply with quote

I think some events have their own authorised photographers and they issue credentials for these and some freelancers. So you need credentials for these events. Not all events have this requirement.
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Post Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:14 pm     Reply with quote

peteklinger wrote:
Buying a ticket doesn't give you the right to sell images.

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Dear Contributors:

peteklinger is correct. If you are credentialed for an event, share that with us so that we know you had authorization to cover the event. This is simply an added layer of assurance for us, as your agency of choice, as well as for yourselves, that you are allowed to license the content appropriately.

Consider this: You are at a private (property) venue shooting a concert or sporting event. How are you attending the event? As a private ticket holder or as a credentialed member of the press? If the latter, show us your credential.

It really is that simple.

Now, if you would like to cover events in your general area and need representation (anywhere in the world...) please visit our On The Red Carpet landing page: http://www.shutterstock.com/buzz/on-the-red-carpet-program?sid=FEBNLS&utm_source=redcarpet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=FEBNLS

I hope this information helps.

Sincerely,
Anthony Correia
Director, Content Operations
Shutterstock | Bigstock
aksshutterstock


Joined: 01 Oct 2009
Posts: 177
Location: Bahrain

Post Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:57 am     Reply with quote

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As a private ticket holder or as a credentialed member of the press? If the latter, show us your credential.


Thanks for the information. If I am in former category then what is procedure ? Am I eligible to submit the photographs as editorial? There are many events that is free mainly organised for public awareness and education. If I am not in press then how to get the credentials of such events?

Thank you,
ruxpriencdiam


Joined: 07 May 2009
Posts: 26234
Location: Third Stone from the Sun

Post Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:34 am     Reply with quote

aksshutterstock wrote:
Quote:
As a private ticket holder or as a credentialed member of the press? If the latter, show us your credential.


Thanks for the information. If I am in former category then what is procedure ? Am I eligible to submit the photographs as editorial? There are many events that is free mainly organised for public awareness and education. If I am not in press then how to get the credentials of such events?

Thank you,
You can get a press pass if you do a lot of events.
warrenprice


Joined: 15 Dec 2009
Posts: 419
Location: Central Texas

Post Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:10 am     Reply with quote

I've been shooting motorcycle races for more than 30 years. I spread my images over multiple media outlets with no particular "boss." They know me. I represent ME. My images from ONE race may appear in MANY magazines. That has been enough for Shutter Stock in the past.

I also post my own blog about motorcycle racing (and photography in general.)

http://www.warrenpricephotography.com/category/motocross/

Will I no longer be allowed to offer motorsports images to ShutterStock?
mait1980


Joined: 06 Dec 2010
Posts: 95

Post Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 11:41 pm     Reply with quote

How do you submit credentials? Just email the credentials to review@shutterstock.com? Do I have to give them my Shutterstock Submitter No.?

I've written to both submission team and reviewer asking how to submit credentials and asking a few questions, but no one has gotten back to me yet.
myu


Joined: 04 Jan 2011
Posts: 5

Post Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:23 am     Reply with quote

Hi mait1980,

I encountered the same problem as you as well.

Last month I submitted photos from PUBLIC events. They were rejected with the same reasons "Not Approved: you must obtain credentials, if obtained, please submit credentials for events".

I find it quite puzzling. Under FAQ, the requirement for Editorial Pictures is "http://submit.shutterstock.com/faq.mhtml#What are the requirements for editorial content?"
There isnt a CLEAR statement that you need credentials. Pictures are only required to be newsworthy. How is it possible that pictures from other photographers are accepted without credentials while some of us are being rejected? Is there some sort of biasedness?

Also, after the rejection of the photos, I emailed to reviewer@shutterstock.com asking what exactly credentials they are looking, I was ignored. TWICE. 24th and 27th April 2012.

Not only that, I applied for credentials through the Red Carpet Program. My credentials was approved. When I submitted the photos, the reviewer rejected my photos, stating that I do not have the credentials.

Are all reviewers trained to give same standard (wihout any biasedness/double-standard)? Why are reviewers not professional enough to reply emails promptly (my emails are ignored for one mth and still counting).

I hope Shutterstock staff can help me with this issue.

Editorial pictures, when not approved on time, will have critical impact on sales as they are time-critical.

It is also very frustrating after editting and tagging more than 100+ photos and your photos are rejected. Due to a mistake on the reviewer's part when you DO have the credentials.
itanium


Joined: 04 Jun 2008
Posts: 15

Post Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 10:26 am     Reply with quote

I think what Myu brought up has a point. Anthony said Shutterstock needs the assurance for events covered at private property. What Myu is submitting is in public venue, open to all. How then is he/she going to get credentials for such photos?

The idea of editorial photos should be the ability to sell the photos with limited rights, covering news worthy events. If the photos are taken in public events, open to all, why should Shutterstock then impose this additional ridiculous restriction? It is not always possible to get credentials or Red Carpet press pass.

I am a seller in other stock websites, and I have not faced such problems from them before, asking for credentials. This restriction is preventing Shutterstock and its contributors to tap on editorial photos market. Event photos that are news worthy don't come everyday. If they are rejected, Shutterstock risk missing out a major pie of the business.

I think it is fair that Shutterstock should review this policy for its business sake and allow contributors to work in a less restrictive manner, else contributors and buyers will start flocking to other sites for photos. Perhaps Shutterstock can consider allowing editorial photos taken in public events, just that contributors have to state in the note that the photos are taking in public events.

Just my 2 cents worth. Thanks.
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Post Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:47 pm     Reply with quote

itanium wrote:
I think what Myu brought up has a point. Anthony said Shutterstock needs the assurance for events covered at private property. What Myu is submitting is in public venue, open to all. How then is he/she going to get credentials for such photos?


Dear Contributors,

itanium & myu: You both bring up good points.

When submitting images from a public access event, write a note to the Review Team as you upload your images which explains your access. (Adding a note of explanation will help with accurate editorial reviews. The note field appears after you hit Submit)

If you have access to a Media Only event (i.e.: you are a credentialed photographer for that event) send the credential to the following email: credentials@shutterstock.com and then wait for further instructions. (We will review the credentials, determine if they are appropriate, and then reply asking you to submit your images with a note that references the specific ticket number you may have received in a Non-Approval Email from Shutterstock. This type of information will help us tremendously with accurate and timely Reviews.

On a similar note, if your images are of a timely nature (i.e.: a big event), add a note to the Review Team explaining this to us and send me an email after you have successfully uploaded: anthony@shutterstock.com

Main Message: the more information you provide to us, the more information we have to help with Review.

Note: As a Shutterstock contributor, it is your responsibility to ensure that the event is, indeed, a public access venue that does not require a credential.

Note: It is at our discretion to make the determination if credentials are required. (This will be handled on a case-by-case basis.) Therefore, it is in your best interest to obtain credentials for all events that you intend to submit.

myu: Curious, the email you noted is not a valid email at all. Let me know where you obtained it by emailing me at anthony@shutterstock.com

If there are any outstanding issues pertaining to Editorial, email me or post here.

Sincerely,
Anthony Correia
Director, Content Operations
Shutterstock|Bigstock
apotterdd


Joined: 10 Apr 2009
Posts: 6996
Location: Trying to get my latinum back from Quark

Post Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:21 pm     Reply with quote

Can someone further explain this situation to me:

About 2 years ago I applied for the Red Carpet program and was denied because I don't have people photos in my port. Is that still in effect because it seems a little biased to me. Not everyone has models in their ports but that doesn't mean that we have an inability to shoot events either.

I look forward to more insight on this.

Anita
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Post Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:47 pm     Reply with quote

apotterdd wrote:
Can someone further explain this situation to me:

About 2 years ago I applied for the Red Carpet program and was denied because I don't have people photos in my port. Is that still in effect because it seems a little biased to me. Not everyone has models in their ports but that doesn't mean that we have an inability to shoot events either.

I look forward to more insight on this.

Anita


Dear apotterdd (Anita),

Your portfolio consists of (mostly) all illustrations with the following photos:

http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?lang=en&search_source=search_form&version=llv1&anyorall=all&safesearch=1&searchterm=&photos=on&search_group=&orient=&search_cat=&searchtermx=&photographer_name=Anita+Potter&people_gender=&people_age=&people_ethnicity=&people_number=&commercial_ok=&color=&show_color_wheel=1

There are many factors that go into deciding who can (or cannot) shoot Editorial Assignments on behalf of Shutterstock. To be considered for the On The Red Carpet program http://www.shutterstock.com/buzz/on-the-red-carpet-program, email me some links to other photos that you have online that can help me better understand your overall capabilities in handling Editorial Assignments (anthony@shutterstock.com). In your email, also explain your photography experience and detail what kind of camera equipment you currently use.

Sincerely,
Anthony Correia
Director, Content Operations
Shutterstock|Bigstock
apotterdd


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Location: Trying to get my latinum back from Quark

Post Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:29 pm     Reply with quote

I don't do people photography because of lack of space and proper equipment. Just doesn't mean I don't know how to use my camera. Event situations are entirely different with regards to space and available light.

And since I don't do model photography what would I need to do find a public event to prove myself and my worth? Would that be the way I would need to go?

Let me know.

(Yeah I know this post sounded a bit snarky but it's not meant to be. I'm just sleepy.)
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Post Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:14 am     Reply with quote

apotterdd wrote:
I don't do people photography because of lack of space and proper equipment. Just doesn't mean I don't know how to use my camera. Event situations are entirely different with regards to space and available light.

And since I don't do model photography what would I need to do find a public event to prove myself and my worth? Would that be the way I would need to go?

Let me know.

(Yeah I know this post sounded a bit snarky but it's not meant to be. I'm just sleepy.)


Dear apotterdd (Anita),

As I wrote earlier, there are many factors that go into deciding who can (or cannot) shoot Editorial Assignments on behalf of Shutterstock. To be considered for the On The Red Carpet program http://www.shutterstock.com/buzz/on-the-red-carpet-program, email me some links to other photos that you have online that can help me better understand your overall capabilities in handling Editorial Assignments (anthony@shutterstock.com). If you do not have images online to share, get out and start shooting anything that can help me understand your capabilities.

I encourage you to email me your photography experience (background) and to also detail what kind of camera equipment you currently use.

Sincerely,
Anthony Correia
Director, Content Operations
Shutterstock|Bigstock
 
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